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Postby WinxClub4Life » Sat Mar 01, 2025 10:27 am

NymphofNature wrote:My thoughts exactly! When the Monster High Reboot started putting out dolls, I wasn't impressed by some of the faceups. However, as time has went on, the faces and quality have gotten better and better. I'm hoping for the same for Winx Club. I honestly love all the dolls, (especially Stella. She reminds me of Silvermist!) and can't wait to see them on shelves! I see the quality control issue, and I'm hoping the official pictures tomorrow look even better.


I agree,at first G3 wasn't the best but now G3 is only a little behind G1 to me,they are some of the best dolls Mattel is putting out right now,I am hoping the same for the new dolls of The Winx Club! The fabrics look SOOO GOOD in_love_ Thought the faces did kind of bother me,maybe I need time to warm up to it,I missed seeing Winx Club in shelves,the last I saw them it was the Cosmix Fairy and Sirenix Fairy (Season 8) dolls and honestly new Wotty was dissapointing,I always loved Old Witty's quality and design but I always hate their faces,I don't know why,I always hate how the eyeshadow looked :oops: I feel the eyes were too tiny to me,but in the new dolls by Playmates the eyes look too big to me. I feel like if they want to do big eyes they should do them similar to the Giochi dolls,I think they're faces are pretty cute. Other than the faces (and the fairy designs but that's on Rainbow) I love it! They look amazing in my opinion! :ahhh:
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Postby Salomea » Sun Mar 02, 2025 2:05 pm

Those sneak peak photos of dolls look really nice and I hope they'll be in a reasonable price, cause I would definitely want to get them. :lol:
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Postby WinxClub4Life » Wed Mar 12, 2025 3:14 pm

Yeah! Me too,not to mention it would be nice if they didnt't manually black out the faces :lol:
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Postby Salomea » Tue Apr 01, 2025 9:51 am

So... Rainbow is supposedly using genAI in the reboot... apparently also in character and environment design...

Guess they're ok with pirating then, since they're doing it. :cloud:
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Postby juleic1123 » Wed Apr 02, 2025 9:31 am

I'll be 100% honest... I don't even know what to think about this whole thing, at all. :?

I'll try to be clear in why I think it's a good but bad thing:

I think using AI can help you with very early prototype things, be it in story, background ideas or even character designs. For VERY EARLY PROTOTYPES. AI was made to literally be on par with what most people want and do so it's capable of creating, if you're clever enough, very good prompts and ideas based on what you want to do.
I use generative fill to clean some backgrounds for my series, since I'm doing a continuation of an existing show and I need the background shots, I need to clean them & quite fast too, and I also asked for A LOT of research that I placed into some of the space missions my characters will do throughout season 6, like time delay between them with trusty web search websites for accurate information, hypothetical scientific terms for some of the sci fi parts of my dialogue (with me telling him what I wanted to achieve) and et cetera...

AI can definitly help and work alongside you sometimes and I think it's fine.

What is bothering me here the most is that they used AI for end product designs. Aisha's hair was almost completely copyrighted from an AI sourced image which means they didn't change anything AT ALL from the generated version to the models. Some of the backgrounds that were shown to us are also pretty similar to AI generated backgrounds so it's actually a very mind blowing decision to me because for very early concept art I feel that it's fine, for references or even objects, but for entire background shots? It's really crazy. :?

I feel like Rainbow is, however, just one of the first companies being caught in this oopsie. More and more workers will be fired in favor of AI being used and more will certainly be caught too.

I personally would've hire someone if I had the money and tools, but I work alone. Rainbow is an entire studio, it's just baffling. :ehmeh::
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Postby Salomea » Wed Apr 02, 2025 1:47 pm

Well genAI can only copy, it cannot create what it wasn't fed off. Otherwords, if it was used 20 years ago for the original winx, we would not get the original winx.

Not the style, not the outfit, not the alfea or Magix :/ They are company with resources and connections (if I remember correctly, the original outfits were consulted with actual cloths designers...), so they could consult with hairstylists and (again) designers, or go through lookbooks of various hairdressers, ect., mix 'n' match and then consult. And that way they'd get something fresh and fashion forward (instead of the reheated potatoes they've been cycling through :/)

I would say, that actually in the early stages, it's were You want people's creativity and originality. To create strong, readable and cohesive concepts, that read as new and unique for the IP.
You want to clean up some animation later, make movement smoother, sure use the AI support. Even to add some details due to last second changes, but that's gonna work only if You already know what You are doing.

As for backgrounds, designing and painting those is often entrance job in animation. So by using AI, they, and other companies, are basically ensuring shortage of experience studio animatiors in few years time. So nice job shooting themselves in the foot. And that's on top of only getting inconsistent and derivative work that doesn't create brand identity and screams "soulless and uninspired".

So what I mean is- it's all bad, cause it's a generative AI, not creative one... So we are not getting anything revolutionary, inspired, like the original one, and likely not even made with true passion anymore :(
Also it can really means, that Rainbow really doesn't know what they want and what they're doing... :(
It's bad no matter how You square it. :cry:
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Postby WinxClub4Life » Wed Apr 02, 2025 4:20 pm

I am so angry towards Rainbow for using AI,using AI for inspiration and change it up a little bit is fine but using AI for art? Disgusting,so many people are already losing jobs and Rainbow being a part of this is so disappointing and infuriating! Using a thoughtless,emotionless device over talented people that worked for years to perfect their art that puts emotion and artistic value to their work is pathetic! :cloud:
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Postby juleic1123 » Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:49 am

Salomea wrote:Well genAI can only copy, it cannot create what it wasn't fed off. Otherwords, if it was used 20 years ago for the original winx, we would not get the original winx.

Not the style, not the outfit, not the alfea or Magix :/ They are company with resources and connections (if I remember correctly, the original outfits were consulted with actual cloths designers...), so they could consult with hairstylists and (again) designers, or go through lookbooks of various hairdressers, ect., mix 'n' match and then consult. And that way they'd get something fresh and fashion forward (instead of the reheated potatoes they've been cycling through :/)

I would say, that actually in the early stages, it's were You want people's creativity and originality. To create strong, readable and cohesive concepts, that read as new and unique for the IP.
You want to clean up some animation later, make movement smoother, sure use the AI support. Even to add some details due to last second changes, but that's gonna work only if You already know what You are doing.

As for backgrounds, designing and painting those is often entrance job in animation. So by using AI, they, and other companies, are basically ensuring shortage of experience studio animatiors in few years time. So nice job shooting themselves in the foot. And that's on top of only getting inconsistent and derivative work that doesn't create brand identity and screams "soulless and uninspired".

So what I mean is- it's all bad, cause it's a generative AI, not creative one... So we are not getting anything revolutionary, inspired, like the original one, and likely not even made with true passion anymore :(
Also it can really means, that Rainbow really doesn't know what they want and what they're doing... :(
It's bad no matter how You square it. :cry:


Yeah, I can see what you mean, especially the fresh new ideas not being done with AI. I completely agree with you there. Story wise that would be a huge red flag. No way should AI be used to generate ideas. Maybe to help you with some of the details, sure, but never as a creative tool. :cloud:
I feel like it's so ridiculously silly. Like, I don't know. I'll speak about my own experience again because I feel like there are positive sides to AI, but the big companies, the ones that should set the example, aren't doing it at all!

I used chatGPT for my series' story, but only to generate scientific ways for my ideas to work, it's a very sci-fi futuristic show with lots of technical terms sometimes given by one of the characters, and I used chatGPT to help me create real "fictional" science as to how MY IDEAS would work if they existed in real life, and to also find studies about related things to be sure chatGPT was on the right track. I feel that it's a good way to use it to learn and help without it being "abusive". It's my story and my ideas and I used it for a quick research and help with the tecnical terms rather than asking him to create it for me, for example, and I feel like this can be good especially if you don't have a huge budget to hire specialists.
Now mind you, I wrote 33 episodes and used chatGPT like 5 times total for important, technical dialogue. It helped me establish coherent ways of how that would work in real life. Something that I am sure that I would be able to even without it, but would probably take me weeks of research - hence why, I think it's good that we have these tools. Same with my background cleaning proccess, in which I can clean them properly in a matter of seconds. Before generative fill, I spent like 2 to 4 weeks for some of the backgrounds using the staple tool and going over details time and time and time again. So generative fill just made the process of removing the caracters and fixing the "hidden" bits 300x easier for me, which allows me to work much faster. Episodes used to take 1 year to make, now I make them in 5-7 months.

But this whole situation with Rainbow... I still think it's bad from wherever you try to look at it. Being a sort of big company, I expected them to do much better, especially because they certainly had that effort back in the original Winx Club before. I said I didn't know what to think but honestly ever since I knew it's more of disappointment than anything else. I was on the fence because I can see some of the positives, but the way they used it is just... 100% wrong, so I can't be ok with it, not really. :cloud:
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Re: Winx Club Reboot - Brand New Series | BRAND NEW Page 3!

Postby Salomea » Thu Apr 03, 2025 10:20 am

Juleic- while I'm not a fan of genAI, I would never want to disparage our experience. Especially, that if there is a legitimate case for those tools is yours. Honestly cleaning things up, is probably the best use for ai. Same for filling in the pieces. I also think it's fair for You, or even small, indepentent group to use it in areas, where You don't have expertise. That's fair.
Especially, that You are rather the person, who would then go through it and check for mistakes... (and I have a feeling at some point You'll have a confidence to write those sci-fi elements Yourself). Just wanted to clear this one thing up.
(But obviously, that doesn't apply to Rainbow and my distaste for their actions still stands.)
Seriously, all the best with your projects and glad You've been able to make things work for You!


WinxClub4Life wrote:I am so angry towards Rainbow for using AI,using AI for inspiration and change it up a little bit is fine but using AI for art? Disgusting,so many people are already losing jobs and Rainbow being a part of this is so disappointing and infuriating! Using a thoughtless,emotionless device over talented people that worked for years to perfect their art that puts emotion and artistic value to their work is pathetic! :cloud:


Yeah, same :/
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